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"Cereal and snack maker Kellogg Co. says it will not renew its sponsorhip contract with Olympic swimmer Michael Phelps because he has acknowledged smoking marijuana last fall. "
This anti-thelemic act should be punished by all who consider themmselves attuned to Liber Oz!
Also, feel free to protest directly to Kellogs.
This anti-thelemic act should be punished by all who consider themmselves attuned to Liber Oz!
Also, feel free to protest directly to Kellogs.
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Re: Boycott Kelloggs!
Thu, February 5, 2009 - 9:21 PMThat creates a double bind for Liber OZ-attuned thelemites who like eating kellog's foods, does it not? And kellog's has the right to sponsor who they will, etc.
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Re: Boycott Kelloggs!
Thu, February 5, 2009 - 9:41 PMthe reality that i consent to create does not include self-righteous bigots who wish to punish
a paragon of human physical development because of a prevailing yet obsolete
social taboo.
We vote with our Disc as much as with our Sword or Wand.
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Re: Boycott Kelloggs!
Wed, February 11, 2009 - 1:45 AM"And kellog's has the right to sponsor who they will, etc. "
If one star should crash into another star, it is a sign that one has deviated from its course. Or words to that effect. I forget the exact quote.
I'm not suggesting that Liber Oz should be taken at all seriously, as it would suggest killing those who would thwart liberty. But I have the right to eat as I will. And because I see the right to take strange drugs thereof being taken away, I will to eat anything but Kelloggs.
But if it is your will to support anti-thelemites; by all means; let your star wander as it will. -
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Wed, February 11, 2009 - 1:53 AMwww.google.com/search
Results 1 - 10 of about 51,500 for boycott kelloggs
"In one sign of the campaign’s impact, the Phelps saga took precedence over the tainted peanut butter outbreak in the recorded reply on Kellogg’s consumer hot line Tuesday.
“If you would like to share your comments regarding our relationship with Michael Phelps, please press one to speak to a representative,” said the recording. “If you’re calling about the recent peanut butter recall, please press two now.”"
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Re: Boycott Kelloggs!
Wed, February 11, 2009 - 5:47 AMBoycotts are stupid.
YMMV as ever
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Wed, February 11, 2009 - 6:16 PMLMAO...
How is Kellog's threatening your will to take drugs? They're not even thwarting Mr. Phelps' will to take drugs, perhaps only discouraging it. If Kellogs takes Mr. Phelps by force and locks him up to prevent him from smoking marijuana, I'd accept it if he killed to escape, but that's a pretty wild hypothetical.
Take pedophilia in light of Liber OZ' statement about when, where and with whom ye will. Then you have a better thesis about how Crowley was a nimrod, reckless if nothing else.
Also, is there anything "strange" about smoking marijuana? I don't think so.
I may support "anti-thelemites" if it suits my purposes, sure. Sometimes one wants to fatten up a calf before the slaughter and the feast. -
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Re: Boycott Kelloggs!
Wed, February 11, 2009 - 7:59 PMdon't spoil his fun, this is obviously the most profound thing he's capable of thinking
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Thu, February 12, 2009 - 1:20 AM"How is Kellog's threatening your will to take drugs? Take pedophilia in light of Liber OZ' statement about when, where and with whom ye will. Then you have a better thesis about how Crowley was a nimrod, reckless if nothing else. "
I dont actually have a will to take drugs. Ghandi was a pedophile. He married at 13 or so; and his wife was similarly young.
Isnt it strange, how this generation are so willing to support the demonisation of cannabis? Your grandparents were quite happy to allow it. There isnt actually anything wrong with it. Yet here you are, equating it with pedophilia.
Crowley may have taken some things to extremes; but at least he understood the basis of liberty. Modern America does not.
As to Kelloggs? They are just tools of the establishment. You can be sure that if they had not disowned their prostitute, Phelps, that the christians would have boycotted them. But that, of course, would have been perfectly acceptable.
Ultimately, its not about Kelloggs, Phelps, or taking drugs.
Its about ushering in the era of Horus.
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Re: Boycott Kelloggs!
Mon, February 16, 2009 - 4:21 AMwhy would a company that makes frosted flakes speak out against stoners anyways,bad moove.
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Wed, February 11, 2009 - 7:48 PMThere are better reasons to boycott Kelloggs, mainly because their products are sugary, corn syrupy crap. -
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Kellog's Corn Flakes WIll Cure Your Masturbation
Mon, February 16, 2009 - 11:49 AMpsychcentral.com/lib/2007/...turbation/
"The fear of self-abuse provoked hysteria well into the early 20th century and produced some relics still with us today: Both graham crackers and the cereal Corn Flakes — concocted in 1894 by frenzied anti-masturbation campaigner, John Harvey Kellog (1853-1943) — were invented as a non-stimulating foodstuff to reduce the sex drives of the young."
www.thesmartset.com/article/...0801.aspx
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Re: Kellog's Corn Flakes WIll Cure Your Masturbation
Mon, February 16, 2009 - 1:26 PMI posted the above because it indicates the oppressive origins of Kellog's industry.
Although the current mega-corporation-complex
of which the breakfast-food behemoth is a part has little connection to the sanitariums
of the 18 and 19 hundreds,
they (the sanitariums and evangelical/medical hysterias) do show forth the Old-Aeon mentality from which it (Kellog's cereal) derived.
It is a fascinating study!
www.ibiblio.org/pub/electr.../graham.htm
It is no surprise that they would strive always to appeal to the most shrill voices of the "Moral Majority"
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Mon, February 16, 2009 - 2:59 PM
"A remedy [for masturbation] which is almost always successful in small boys is circumcision...The operation should be performed by a surgeon without administering an anesthetic, as the brief pain attending the operation will have a salutary effect upon the mind...In females, the author has found the application of pure carbolic acid to the clitoris an excellent means of allaying the abnormal excitement. " -- Dr. John Harvey Kellogg
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Re: Kellog's Corn Flakes WIll Cure Your Masturbation
Tue, February 17, 2009 - 6:33 PMNothing like the smell of carbolic acid in the morning.
Always a pleasure to read your posts, Arun!
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Sat, August 22, 2009 - 1:37 PMthe kellogg brothers never spoke to each other after one of the brother did the unthinkable added sugar to the cereal.
One of the brothers married but never consumated the marriage .There was a focus with cats milk being highly nutritional was not exacly quoted as being either brothers ideas. -
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Re: Kellog's Corn Flakes WIll Cure Your Masturbation
Mon, August 24, 2009 - 10:33 AMDo what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
...if i boycotted some damn corporation due to some nonsense or other of theirs i'd have a hard time eating in America. this is not to say that boycotts are not worthwhile; merely that with so many 'reasons' to avoid This or That corporation i have to pick and choose my battles or pick my food by hand. even then, who to buy seed from?
at the moment my boycotts are limited to ADM, Tyson and Montsanto, as their agricultural practices are directly toxic to me and my fellow water-drinking life forms. one thing at a time, dear sardonyx, one thing at a time.
yeah, the cereal people were nuts, and they're still nuts. not even the good nuts, like with honey and stuff, but the bad nuts, what that tighten onto the bolts of restriction.
perhaps we should boycott hospitals for performing circumcision? (not a bad idea, really. the foreskin, i've been given to understand, is as sensitive as the clitoris! as an aside, i've always been stymied by the passion of the 'end female circumcision' people and their lack of interest in doing the same for men. the argument seems to run towards 'sanitation' - should i be surprised that there are still some who consider the genitalia 'dirty?')
really, the idea that marijuana isn't a "strange" drug on account of it's currently popular is the purest nonsense. what, should we use something until lots of other people start and then stop, beginning again when it falls out of vogue? the point, as they say, has been Missed. consider the following from the commentaries on that verse:
Crowley:
"Wine and strange drugs do not harm people who are doing their will; they only poison people who are cancerous with Original Sin. Truth is so terrible to these detestable mockeries of humanity that the thought of self is a realization of hell. Therefore they fly to drink and drugs as to an anaesthetic in the surgical operation of introspection.
"The craving for these things is caused by the internal misery which their use reveals to the slave-souls. If you are really free, you can
take cocaine as simply as salt-water taffy. There is no better rough test of a soul than its attitude to drugs. If a man is simple, fearless, eager, he is all right; he will not become a slave. If he is afraid, he is already a slave. Let the whole world take opium, hashish, and
the rest; those who are liable to abuse them are better dead. For it is in the power of all so-called intoxicating drugs to reveal a man to himself. If this revelation declare a Star, then it shines brighter ever after. If it declare a Christian— a thing not man nor beast, but a muddle of mind — he craves the drug, no more for its analytical but for its numbing effect."
Motta:
"Some technical aspects of the verse had better be touched upon. First, note that to worship Hadit one is to take 'wine and strange drugs', for which see Liber Aleph, Chapters 9394. This is because you ARE Hadit; alcohol and such drugs temporarily release your inhibitions, your complexes and the brainwashing you have been subjected to since your birth in a slaveculture, and let your True Self come to the surface of your consciousness. If the coming is violent or 'antisocial', this is not caused by the drugs or the alcohol. They are not 'evil' or 'corrupting'. They merely liberate.
"Remember the Djin in the fisherman's bottle of the Thousand and One Nights. During the first thousand years of his imprisonment he
vowed that he would make rich the man who freed him. In the second thousand years confinement had made him so angry that he vowed he would kill that man. Violence and 'antisocial' behavior may appear when alcohol or drugs are used. Such symptoms simply mean that your True Self has been violently repressed for too long. They do not mean that your True Self is 'evil'. They indicate a need for a complete change of environment and moral code, a search for circumstances that will make easier your self-expression.
"You must heed carefully the warning and, if you are not a fool, you will bless the drugs that afforded you such an insight into your state of spiritual servitude to false (false to you!) idols and ideals. See Liber Aleph, 3, 30-35, 104-105, 118. Also, Emerson's essay, "Self Reliance".
"The present laws against the use of drugs in all so-called 'civilized' countries were passed by people totally ignorant of the nature and effect of the drugs concerned, at the instigation of people who were only too aware of the liberating power of such drugs. For the same reason do these people disapprove of free sexual intercourse—they know that the catharsis of orgasm also liberates, even if for one moment, the True Self within. Remember, all ye, that no true God will ever condemn any act of self expression, even when exaggerated by past repression...
"The propaganda against drugs is fostered by 'Black Brethren' and done by religious organizations, by opportunistic politicians, and by (surprising as it may seem) the trafficants themselves. The Mafia and other outfits are certainly not interested in relaxation of antidrug
legislation. All crime syndicates would vanish within ten years if morphine, heroin, cocaine could be freely bought by any adult citizen from any licensed physician."
it's no surprise that individuals under the influence of the false christist current (like the brothers Kellogg) will attempt to restrict the use of drugs by the general populace. after all, if drugs allow regular folks to access higher spiritual states - or even if they merely point the way - there will be no need for regular folks to pay their monies and energies into the coffers of the dead-aeon "churches" (or to the battle creek sanitarium)
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Tue, August 25, 2009 - 3:20 AMI agree with the vast majority of what you state. Two interesting points however; Crowley was irredeemably addicted to heroin. So much for "If you are really free, you can take cocaine as simply as salt-water taffy." On this point, I dont recommend the use of some drugs, and particularly not taking them as simply as salt-water taffy (that was, I believe, part of Crowley's problem - the belief that he didnt have to be cautious). However, I am firmly of the belief that it is no mans right to dictate to another, what he ingests. They can educate, but they should not be allowed to proscribe.
The second point: "..if i boycotted some damn corporation due to some nonsense or other of theirs i'd have a hard time eating in America. "
I think the thing is to make an effective protest. Its not a matter of not wishing to support evil corporations, its a matter of effectively communicating to them your power over their wallet, and your displeasure with them. In the Kelloggs case, it was a matter of joining the protest that Kelloggs was aware of, for a matter of a few weeks. After that, you could have gone back to rounding out your diet with flattened maize. Long boycotts are counterproductive, as the corporations have long since forgotten that they are being boycotted. Your boycott of Tyson may save a chicken or two, but it wont save the planet. But if 1 million people boycott Tyson for 2 weeks after some expose that Tyson Execs fuck live chickens in their offices, that will end the practice, most likely. The trick is to link a short sharp shock with the offensive behavior. Like training dogs. No use starving your dog for a year because he barks, because he doesnt associate the 2. But give him a thump as he barks, and he begins to see the association. Oh dear. Thats not very animal friendly of me :) -
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Tue, August 25, 2009 - 5:44 AMDo what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
regardless of the condition of The Beast and his relationship to heroin, the point he made is sound. perhaps more poignantly so due to the reality of his own recurrent difficulties with heroin, but sound nonetheless. it is perhaps worth pointing out that the way bayer. inc. marketed their product Heroin gave the impression that it was, indeed, as safe as salt water taffy.
for me, it is indeed a matter of not wishing to support a corporation that regularly violates My (not someone else's) rights as described in liber oz. perhaps not for you, but certainly for me. i make them aware of my displeasure through organizing against them on state-wide and national scales. the work i did, for example, on the farm bill in '02 e.v. in south dakota, minnesota, idaho, nebraska and kansas had a far vaster impact on big agribusiness then any "short sharp shock" would.
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Re: Kellog's Corn Flakes WIll Cure Your Masturbation
Thu, August 27, 2009 - 1:28 AM"regardless of the condition of The Beast and his relationship to heroin"
My point was perhaps pointless:
""Wine and strange drugs do not harm people who are doing their will; they only poison people who are cancerous with Original Sin."
If Crowley was correct on this point, then he clearly was not doing his will. As he claimed to be an ipsissimus, then we must admit that Ipsissimi can sometimes be capable of not doing their true will. Or that Crowley's claim to this grade was false. In any case, Crowley must have been cancerous with original sin. If there is a failure of logic here, I cant see it.
Crowleyites (as opposed to thelemites - i.e. those who worship Crowley and can see no faults in the man) will fail to see that this statement of Crowleys has the same qualities as Ted Haggard's comments that a true Christian would be able to resist homosexual "perversion".
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Thu, August 27, 2009 - 5:50 AMDo what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
i'd be very curious indeed to see the data supporting your statement that Crowley claimed to be an Ipsissimus.
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Thu, August 27, 2009 - 11:20 PMI never heard that it was doubted before, but it appears it is; here is the evidence for:
"On 23 May 1921, while at Cefalu, Crowley undertook the Ipsissimus initiation, noting afterwards in his diary (cf The Magical Record of The Beast 666) that: "As a God goes, I go."" www.lashtal.com/nuke/PNphp...art-0.phtml
"Hirsig's role as Crowley's initiatrix reached a pinnacle in the spring of 1921 when she presided over his attainment of the grade of Ipsissimus, the only witness to the event." www.hermetic.com/sabazius/hirsig.htm
... Crowley hints but once only in his published
writings at this supreme initiation which he underwent in
the Spring of 1924. In his Magical Record, however, he
reveals that he took the Oath of an *Ipsissimus* on
May 23, 1921 and, for the following three years, the Great
Initiation ran its course:
The climax of the dealings of the Secret Chiefs
with Therion came in the weeks immediately
preceding and following the Spring Equinox of
1924. At this time he lay sick unto death. He
was entirely alone, for They would not even
permit the presence of those few whom They had
Themselves appointed to aid him in this final
initiation. In this last Ordeal the earthly
part of him was dissolved in Water; the Water
was rarified utterly, until he was free to make
the last effort, and to pass into the vast
caverns of the Threshold which guards the Realm
of Fire. Now, naught human may come through
these immensities. So in the Fire he was
consumed wholly; as pure Spirit alone did he
return, little by little, during the months
that followed, into the body and mind that had
perished in that Great Ordeal of which he can
say no more than this: 'I died.'
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_Cults of the Shadow_, by Kenneth Grant, Samuel Weiser,
1976; pp. 113-4.
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In the Hindu system, a *Paramahansa*
is the highest grade of spiritual enlightenment and it
corresponds to the Ipsissimus Grade, 10'=1~, in the
Western Tradition. Crowley describes himself as a
*Paramahansa* in his *Eight Lectures on Yoga*, published
by the O.T.O. in 1939....
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_Aleister Crowley and the Hidden God_, by Kenneth Grant,
Skoob Books, 1992; p. 211.
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www.arcane-archive.org/faqs/ipsisref.php
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Re: Kellog's Corn Flakes WIll Cure Your Masturbation
Thu, August 27, 2009 - 11:25 PMSo lets reword this in case:
"If Crowley was correct on this point, then he clearly was not doing his will. As he claimed to be an Magus, then we must admit that Magi can sometimes be capable of not doing their true will. Or that Crowley's claim to this grade was false. In any case, Crowley must have been cancerous with original sin. If there is a failure of logic here, I cant see it. " -
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Re: Your Masturbation
Fri, August 28, 2009 - 10:23 AMDo what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
i've looked at your sources, and i do not see a claim from crowley of having attained the grade. i see others claiming he did it, and i see the entries in his diary that imply it, but i do not see a claim by crowley.
there is not a failure in your logic; there is a failure in your axioms. the real question, according to his quote above, is not whether he was addicted to the stuff but if it Poisoned him. he lived to a ripe old age, certainly for man of his varied pursuits. some of his best writing was done at the very end of his life. it certainly doesn't sound like poisoning to me.
there's a popular image of the heroin addict as this sad, poor creature who lives only for his drug. while that is certainly one type of heroin addict - and an example of one harmed by the stuff, certainly - it is not the only type. crowley gives us another example.
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Sat, August 29, 2009 - 2:39 AMYou do have a love of hairsplitting; whether Crowley implied or claimed he attained a certain grade or not. Whether he was "poisoned" by heroin metaphorically or actually.
There is no doubt in my mind, none, that Crowley, in your quotes, was saying that strong men would not be subject to heroin addiction. However poetically he said it. The weak, would. I also have no doubt that he considered himself a man in control of himself. To whom heroin was no threat whatsoever. Salt-water taffy, as it were. I also have no doubt that Crowley held the weak in contempt, and that he held those who were addicted to drugs in contempt.
"If a man is simple, fearless, eager, he is all right; he will not become a slave. If he is afraid, he is already a slave."
I also have no doubt that Crowley was addicted to heroin.
Thats the point made, I hope, without recourse for some other run around in the forest seeking to find some nit to pick.
"666 claims that he has not had the desire for heroin more than 6 times in these days he's been without. He hates, however, to be beaten... I dont like to admit that I would ever like to take another dose of heroin, because it seems like weakening on my immediate resolve to stop it. ...I think thats the principal thing: never to make it a daily habit. Take as much as you like any day, but leave a clear 36 hours in which to get rid of the drug. (7 June 1923 diary)
11 June: Felt Rotten. Cocaine didnt help.
too much cocaine irritated: small heroin. Beware of backsliding.
16 June: Heroin today. 3 needed.
If you read the entire diary, as I did (Skinner, Weiser), its a sad diary of a heroin addict trying to give the stuff up, but failing, time and time again. There is absolutely no doubt that he was addicted to it. A SLAVE to it. And therefore, weak and afraid, in his own words. Not able to follow his true will. Because anyone who was able to do his own true will, should not only be able to avoid using the word "I" for a week (or slash his wrists forcing the body to obey the will), he should certainly be able to control addiction. Heroin should have to effect on a real magus, as it were.
THATS the point.
I thought I made it earlier by mentioning Ted Haggard, the evangelical chief who said that its easy enough to "cure" being gay, if you just have the moral backbone to avoid temptation. And yet, Ted Haggard succumbed, and, furthermore, failed the "prayer cure".
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The world is full of people who think that various things are MORAL failings, whether its addiction to sodomy or heroin, and if only the person were stronger, he would resist it. (or, in crowleys terms, could resist it). While crowley didnt say that the use of heroin was immoral, he had only contempt for addiction to it.
Thats the point.
To drive it further; the first thing that everyone should do, is to admit that they are capable of failing, capable of being weak. To think oneself so strong that oneself will not succumb, is to pave the way to succumbing.
Crowley was an idiot. He thought that anyone of good genes, breeding or temperament would have no problem with heroin, and so had the hubris to pour scorn on the addicts as being somehow less human than his glorious self.
Pride comes before a fall.
Crowley was a heroin addict most of his adult life.
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This has no bearing on his obvious skills and erudition. Just on his ego. The one he constantly claimed to have given up. Crowleys real problem wasnt his heroin addiction, it was his ego addiction. And like any republican, he spent his years boasting about how unegotistical he was. (in the republican case, how family-values they are). Rather than face up to the problem and deal with it, he kept on being holier than thou going on and on about how important it was to transcend the ego.
I just finished dealing with someone else who couldnt believe that Crowley was a bigot. Just what is it about Crowley that make people think he was Jesus Mk. II?
He accomplished a lot, even, perhaps, because of his defects. But defects he certainly had. To pretend otherwise, is to be a cult member.
Magus? Ipsissimus? Who cares. Both are just ways of patting yourself on the back without having to be judged and awarded deserving by someone else. Degrees awarded without committees. If the GD wont give you a degree, just make up your own organization.
"there's a popular image of the heroin addict as this sad, poor creature who lives only for his drug. while that is certainly one type of heroin addict - and an example of one harmed by the stuff, certainly - it is not the only type. crowley gives us another example."
Crowley was definitely harmed by the stuff. Its why he tried so desperately to quit it - and failed. Crowley was also sad, and poor. If you read the Tunisia diaries, you will find this running through the pages. I wouldnt take Crowleys life as an inducement to get addicted to heroin. There was no magical "other example" of a "successful" heroin addict. The self-loathing in the pages makes it clear that Crowley himself thought that (obviously at a later date than the quotes you gave about the weak-willed slaves).
" some of his best writing was done at the very end of his life. "
A lot of very prolific people are addicts, including alcoholics. I have no problem in believing that various drugs can contribute to one's art. The question is what it does to your will, to your personal relationships, Crowley didnt end his days surrounded by happy family, in his own house, with gardens running down to the thames, as he might have done, considering his talents and his inheritance. He dies a fairly lonely old man, wracked with pain and lung complaints, dependent on income from thelema-hippies. Unable to provide for himself.
Nevertheless, we can learn much from his life, and his books are useful summaries of Mathers work, and others. If I had lived his life, on balance, I;d be happy with it. And I think, on balance, he was happy with it. And that, when push comes to shove, is what its all about.
But no. Crowley wasnt a superhuman, able to use heroin like snuff and resist the insidious effects. He succumbed. just like the rest of humanity. The more you think you can resist? The faster you will succumb. The trick is to remain wary of it. And of yourself -
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Sat, August 29, 2009 - 10:54 AMCrowley's dead.
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Crowley's Last Days
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Re: Crowley's Last Days
Sun, August 30, 2009 - 11:45 AMThanks for that, Phil, lol!
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Re: Crowley's Last Days
Sun, September 6, 2009 - 9:08 AM
Sounds like everyone here could do with a little more fiber in their diets...
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